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Gaps in CV
Hi!
I can't help but wonder what is wrong with society and work these days.
I have heard many people asking about how to cover gaps in their CV and it just makes me think, what is the problem? I went to Dubai and for the first year spent life as a housewife. Now back in UK, another gap, settling hubby into the UK etc ., looking for work etc. But when employers see my CV and see these two gaps it's like.. What? You weren't working???? You decided not to work? What was wrong with you? You must be working!
Since when did it become seemingly 'law' that we must always be working and want to be working? And if a woman has a baby.. is the employer looking to make sure she only took off the minimum amount of maternity leave???
Just comes across to me as being a very sad state of affairs, JMOH.
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Gaps in CV
Hi!
I can't help but wonder what is wrong with society and work these days.
I have heard many people asking about how to cover gaps in their CV and it just makes me think, what is the problem? I went to Dubai and for the first year spent life as a housewife. Now back in UK, another gap, settling hubby into the UK etc ., looking for work etc. But when employers see my CV and see these two gaps it's like.. What? You weren't working???? You decided not to work? What was wrong with you? You must be working!
Since when did it become seemingly 'law' that we must always be working and want to be working? And if a woman has a baby.. is the employer looking to make sure she only took off the minimum amount of maternity leave???
Just comes across to me as being a very sad state of affairs, JMOH.
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Hi
I totally agree with you. There are some occasions when its totally inappropriate to put a gap in employment on a CV. Sometimes its difficult to explain in a few short sentences so then what do you have to do Lie!!! A few years ago I wanted a career change so took 6 months out while I decided what I wanted to do. It didnt effect my emolyability so why do I need to fill in gaps in my employment. Unless your suitable employed 24/7 365 days a year it seems there's the probability that your either lazy or unreliable or both....OMG its getting beyond a joke.
Northernstar54
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It seems that as soon as we step on that first rung of the employment ladder, we have signed our soul away. We must ALWAYS be in employment or looking for work. I'm thinking it's easier for women not to constantly work as many have breaks for children, or are carers, and maybe even perhaps because it's 'natural' for women to be the 'gatherer's rather than the hunters, i.e. be a stay-at-home wife, whereas for men, it's more natural for them to be the providers therefore they must work.
And if anyone thinks that just because you don't work you must be lazy... bizarre. 'Work' does not always mean having to go out to work, to work for a company, to be employed by an employer. Housewives 'work'.
I cannot believe how much emphasis is placed on filling gaps on CVs, as if it's a crime.. really, that's how it feels.. you are a criminal, out of order, gone AWOL! Why should we have to justify why we have not been working - do we still have a choice to work or not? If feels not.
I think I must be getting quite cynical in my 46th year!!! :-)
Take care!
Effy.
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I'm 24 and I'm as cynical as you. I agree that not working doesn't always make you lazy. I'm always doing something. I know it's completely different because I'm on benefits, but if people assume that means I'm lying in bed all day, as most potential employers seem to, then I'll never get off benefits. In the last three years I've got a degree, learned four languages, learned shorthand and sign langauge, improved my typing speed to 80 words a minute and volunteered as an online mentor, but it all counts for nothing because I wasn't being paid to do it. I know I was living off taxpayers while doing that, but I did put effort into it, which in my opinion proves I'm not lazy.
I think it's terrible that the work housewives do isn't recognised. In my opinion it's harder than a lot of paid work, because you don't finish until the kids are in bed and the kitchen is clean. Voluntary work and caring for relatives doesn't seem to count either. I've been told that I shouldn't mention looking after my brother because siblings can only be "real" carers if both parents are dead.
I've been told that whoever reads job applications will just glance at your CV looking for an excuse not to read the rest of your application. It's not even that they can afford to be very picky, it's that that can't actually go through every application properly in the time they have, because they're too many.
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Hi Holly,
Agree with you entirely! People are always out to assume the worst in my opinion, very suspicious LOL, and it totally bugs me that we have to justify ourselves all the time! I've been working since I was 19 and i'm now 45 and if I want to take time out of work and sit on my backside or stay in bed, then I'm going to! I stopped work almost a year ago due to relocation from abroad so I am currently unemployed and claiming my right to benefits but my job search is totally intense. Registered face to face with over a dozen agencies, countless online websites, several social network sites.. my CV is nothing but OUT THERE.
So when employers ask, what have you been doing in this gap year, um, well, looking for work pretty much comes to mind!! And then you have the guilt if you've been looking for too long as this gap may indicate to a potential employer that no-one wants to hire you. Yet it's impossible to explain, but I'm sure they are aware, how bad the job market is, how many people with the same skills and experience are looking.
Thankfully, I have now been offered a position and start in two weeks. So, I'm going to make the most of my lay-ins! But, really, if the government started a new initiative to encourage women to stay home and be housewives, offering a good remuneration package, or giving women the option to retire at 50, then I would be first in the queue!! I feel that intrinsically women are homemakers and if we're working how can we possibly keep the home up together at the same time, except if we use our hard-earned weekends to do the work. I know my husband would much prefer me to be a housewife, and I would too. So come on David Cameron, give us the choice. We don't all want to be women with balls!! Just mho.
Holly, you sound wonderful and why no-one has grabbed you for work I don't know. You show initiative, ambition and tenacity, along with a caring and supportive nature. If you are unable to work then I hope you receive what you need to assist you. Well done for reaching those goals!!
With CVs, some are of the opinion that you should keep it to one page but that's difficult in some cases, but maximum two pages, and to keep it snappy and to the point. And use key or buzz words to get their attention. Things have become so difficult these days, everything requires so much more effort, what used to suffice no longer does, competition is huge. Let's hope that one day life will have the beauty of simplicity.
Keep at it Holly.. you are an inspiration.
Best wishes,
Effy
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Employers want everything their own way, particularly in the current market. Ironcially those who have never been unemployed and have either never moved out of the company they started after they left school, or have never been made redundant, do not have a concept of unemployment, or career breaks. Most of these people are either men of the "old school" who have married, and let the wife do the raising of the children, rather like our Victorian predecessors, see women as "temporary " workers who live for their company and then "gracefully retire" to have their 2 point 2 children.
Things are changing as more men realise that to raise a family increasing needs two incomes. Equally women have realised that they can have children and maintain employment, albeit at a price to the reationship. The main issue here is that either the woman takes part time work to raise the children or vice -versa (NB "Kramer-v-Kramer" and "Do you know the Muffin Man"; whilst the fomer deals with matrimonial break-down and the other with child manipulation, both show that women want to be mum and work, have their life, but be married at the same time.
My brother is the same, in so far his wife was the greater income earner and that to have two income bearers was required to maintain their standard of lvivng and have children at the same time. Secondly his wife, being a teacher had enough exposure to children, and more to the point parents, from a professional point of view, let alone comming home to the same.
Returning to employers, altghough illegal, they will always try to find out whether an 18-25 year old woman is likely to want a start a family. For the employer it is expensive to have a parent or potential parent on their payroll. The coneption and maternity cover during confinement. Then (in thier eyes) time off looking after their unwell child, Meetings at school etc. Then for the mother ot have baby II required the exactly the same rights, only to leave 2 years later. That is expensive to an employer. Now you have the added factor that men are entitled to Paternity Leave as well, which in turn makes the employer look at a young man in the same light.
Employers cannot get their heads around gaps in CVs. There may be a number of reasons outside raising a family that a woman or man may have a gap in their CV. Particularly in to-days situation of mass employment gaps in employement are created by the fact that you have been made redundant and that you have not been able to get back in to the employment market. Employers want it their own way all the time.
If you have been in a partiuclar employ for lenght of time, they want to know why you are leaving; if you go through a series of jobs it is assumed you are incompetent, and if there is a longe career break, say five years plus, you will be told that you do not have up to date experience. This is in part due to the fact that employers want an off the shelf package, and expect you to drop in to their system immediately. Hence the fascination by employers with the computer system you have used, in which sectors you have worked; apparently qualifications and experience no longer count. This includes Career Breaks as outlined above. The longer you are out of work, career break or not. the more difficult it become to enter the market again.
The older you are the more difficult the problem becomes, becuase younger people have lower salary expectiations, and employers neither want to employ someone who may more than they do, or want more money for that knowledge. In short employers are too busy doing things on the cheap. They want button pushers, not thinkers.
I have been out of work for three years, not out of choice or a career break, or having children, but returning to work following a redundancy (actually constructive dismissal) and that is causing a problem since the first question employers as is: "why?". In my case the mention that I had an epileptic fit is an immediate switch off. That is exactly the same problem that may occur to women who have taken a career break later in their lives to have children, It is a know fact that the average of couples starting a familiy has risen from 23 to 30+ due to a large degree as a result of the cost of raising a family and being able to afford accommodation to satisfy the requirements.
Until employers get their head round this, and the Governemnt and Judiciary close the loop-holes in the law, the postion will not change. The outside chance is to petition your MP.
Sorry for the lecture, but we all face serious issues here with the employer/ employee relationship and the latters' ever increasing desire to be as evasive of the law as possible; both at selection and re-employment levels.
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I agree with a lot of what you've said. Employers do seem to want the perfect person, who will fit into their company as soon as they start work, will happily accept minimum wage for the rest of their life and will continue to gain more skills but will never go for another job where they can actually use those skills. I've applied for a lot of apprenticeships in the last year and they've all been for relatively low skilled jobs, certanly not the kind of thing you'll need to train for a year to do, so it's clearly an excuse to pay people less. I think it's unfair to assume people under 25 can live on £75 a week. My mum is unable to work, so I'll have to pay £100 a week in rent when I get a job, which rules out a lot of possibilities, like retail. The type of people who need apprenticeships are usually the type of people who can't afford to live on those wages, because their parents can't support them. Often, they need to support their parents, which is why they didn't get the qualifications they need for a job.
It's definately true that employers don't want to give jobs to people who know more than they do. I've had to do some employability courses and older people with years of experience in a particular industry are taught how to answer application questions without actually saying what they know about the industry and job, because they'll be employed by someone in their twenties who knows nothing about the industry but has a degree in management or business, and they don't want to feel stupid.
I've also been told that my constant studying is a sign that I'll leave any job I manage to get as soon as I can get a better one. I think that says a lot about the way these employers think, because if it's true then they believe any other company is a better employer than they are, but do nothing to improve. I completely believe many people will let an epiletpic fit stop them considering you for a job, even though it wouldn't be a real problem for them.
With certain employers, I don't think it's about the current market. Numerous studies have shown that higher wages and better working conditions lead to more productive staff, as well as being better for people's health and the economy, but many companies are freezing wages even though profits are increasing. They don't seem to be interested in what's best for their business, or how to make sure they still have a business in 10 years time.
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Hi Holly,
I beleive that we think on the same lines; and comparing our experiences rightly so. Regrettably, as we agree people do not drop neatly in to templates, and employers to have to recognise that some training is required, particularly as far as computing suites are concerned. In the latter case there are so many versions, and bespoke models that there is no possible way you can know all.
There is an increase in the number of companies or businesses which neither have a staff department/manager nor in-house training, which in the long term is short-sighted since continous training means that staff remain interested, look forward to progressions and less likely to leave. In turn that means that a loyal staff and therefore low turnover, in turn reducing the costs of constant resourcing of new staff. Employment Agencies do not come cheap, with the average cost being 25% of starting Salary + VAT; if you are talking senior staff, it can be double that rate. This brings us back to mangerial and business short-sightenedness.
Like yourself, I was told that if I studied and secured certain qualifications that would make my "employablility" stronger: in fact, nothing coudl be further from the truth. I have lost count of the number of times I havev been told I am over qualified, and frankly it has reached a stage whether my professional status be left off my CV. This seems to defeat the object of securing qualifications and the pride that should go with that success.
You also raise a very valid point about apprenticeships. These were ideal for people who were not good at taking exams, but could learn by being with a more experienced person in parallel with reading the subject at Technical College and taking the relevant exams. Of course, cutting corners raises its head again, in so far as companies and business are not prepared to invest in their staff.
If you factor in those who are preapred to do extra-curricular studying, i.e. evening classes at college or a full college course, to ge told that they have to pay for their education is an insult. If the average Degree, even HNC Student is going to do a three year course with the threat of a £7000 + debt over their head, those people are going to be discouraged from studying. As I have said elsewhere, the old grant scheme worked. Basicallyyou got your grant on a term basis. If you fooled around and spent it on things over and above living and the cost of books etc. and you failed to attend lectures, you were before the Bursar. If you did it again, it was good bye.
Ok you did not have to pay back the grant, but since it was issued on a term to term basis, the most the local authority or Government lost out was 13 weeks. In the case of your mother, how can anyone possibly deal with the cost of getting better qualifications if she is only receiving a nominal State Income, and you are having to provide for both of you. You cannot afford to study to get a better salary as you need the income from your present job and cannot take a year out to take the relevant qualification.. Employers seem to forget that it is cheaper to train in-house, than buy from the open market someone who has taken their exams, and therefore expect a better starting salarly. Ironically, we now come to a contradiction since we move in to the realms of "over-qulaified". Comapnies should know the going rate for a certain set of skills, and know very well that if they do not keep up with that rate, then they shall not get the higher calibre staff. Qualitifaction is not just bits of paper, but experience too.
In my game, this baffles me, since whilst the work I may be doing is basic telephone collections; asking people why they have not paid the debt and putting things right, there are other issues too. I am able to draft my own Particulars of Claim and Summons; and have rights of audience in County Court to Trial Level. At the risk of being big headed, I would have thought that a company would welcome someone with such a back ground, since I can track a matter from inception to default and ultimately litigaion, including Post Judgement Enforcement. I am prepared to offer those facitilites as an add on to the job being advertised. Whilst I accept that on a permanent basis the salary I would seek a greater rate than that on a temporary assignment, until recently the reverse was true.
I used to deal with companies in severe distress to the point where they were about to call in the Receievers, or Foreclosure by the bank, but they had the sense to call someone in like me to deal with the situaion. Employers and business seem to be very reactive these days; wait for the problem to happen, no matter how obvious, and then do some thing about it. I have actually been assigned to companies where the Sales Ledger was such a mess, I slapped a 30% reserve on the book debt, and raised questions with the Auditors as to how they found the accounts fit to sign off !
That was one example where, along with three others, I actually managed to keep the creditors away for six months while we got things re-organised and dragged the company back in to business, and at the risk of being big headed, saved 50 jobs in the process. The fact that I was able to put in to place new procedures to avoid bad debt, such as risk analysis, as well as collect out the debt, negotiate settlement; in some cases a £100 Credit Note resulted in the release of a few Thousand Pounds. At least with a Credit Note, you can reclaim the VAT back! Writing a bad debt off against turnover is not so tax efficient. not withstanding the additional accountancy involved.
Board members seem to be so short sighted to day; and the same can be said for the banks, who are lending to the wrong business, but at the same time squashing those which given some help will survive. The same is true whether you are dealing with commercial or private debt.
In one cases referred to me, a 19 year old girl, who had a mental age of 12 years, was let loose with a £1000 overdraft ! It was clearly she was not competent, and the fact she had been on State Benefits since leaving school should have flashed warnings up to the bank. In reality she should not have been allowed anything more than a deposit account. With that case I succeeded in getting the contract voided. The Bank concerned tried, try to intimidate the girl by sending her some very dodgy documentation, which in fact impersonated Court Documents. At that point, having secured the girls consent in wiritng, I intervened, and following some very heated exchanges in both writing and orally,
It was of note that the Bank concerned backed down when I drew to their attention that their Consumer Credit Licence was at risk had the pursued further; first and foremost becuase the girl was legally incompetent of contract.
The thing that worries me is that too much of this is going on, the Government and supposed "Watchdogs" who are supposed to be monitoring these lenders, and particularly the increasing number of sharks like WONGA and PAYDAY Loans, are quite clearly not doing their job. The Consumer Credit Act, and Unfair Contract Terms Act are hopelessly out of date and need review immediately, and it does raise questions about the Statutel Review procedures which were supposed to be put in to place in the early 1990s. They may well be there on paper, but nothing has been advertised and not have any actions been seen in the legal press.
Sorry to be paranoid but it does raise the question whether the Government , the FSA and Ombudsman, far from being independent of the Banks are actually in close collusion.



