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Living in limbo - advice please
Hi all, and thanks for reading.
First time I've posted on this board but it seems appropriate place for this. I've been with my current bf for 6 years long distance (we live around an hour and a half away from each other door to door and see each other most weekends). I realise this seems like a long time to be long distance (we are both in late 20s) but it felt ok at the time as for practical reasons we couldnt live together and i am independent lady and was happy enough having own life during week. He was also studying and it just made sense for various reasons. We'd still speak most nights on the phone and were regularly in contact.
In the last year or so I guess, it's hard to tell as it's all a bit of a blur now, he has started saying that he ins't sure what he wants and that although he really loves me so much and loves being with me something is missing and this worries him with regards to our future. I'm not really sure how to take this, and for various reasons, it appears to be a bit more complicated than it sounds. He suffers from pretty bad anxiety (which he hides from everyone, except me) and has never really left home (he lives with his dad and younger brother). He didn't go to university and so has never left to live anywhere else really either. It's hard to explain the anxiety but it comes down to him being scared when he's not in control of things/situations, when things don't go as planned. I remember first noticing it when I suggested staying over an extra night one weekend (leaving on Monday morning) and he really panicked and got angry with me. I was obviously pretty upset the first time this happened and when it happened again, I stayed the next time and when we got back to his house he got really apologetic and upset and explained how it was to do with his feeling out of control when things dont go to plan and said he hated himself for reacting that way and for hurting me.
He panics, and has mini panic attacks sometimes when having to do things himself (calling someone on the phone, booking a taxi, ordering at a restaurant) etc. He has improved greatly over the years, partly because i've gently coaxed him into doing things hes scared to do, and partly cos his work has given him confidence, but now it's gotten to a crunch point and i'm really struggling to cope with the situation.
The crunch point is that I want to live together and because we have discussed it for years and because of our situations it really would be best for both of us if he moved here. I realise i'm asking him to do something really terrifying for him, but i know from experience, that I cannot continue to be as patient as i have been and that if things were up to him, he would continue in whatever situation he feels safest/less anxious/scared. I also genuinely believe (and he has agreed many times) that the prospects are better here, and he would greatly benefit from being here rather than where he lives now where he is quite isolated/doesn't see/have many friends etc. He also isn't really happy in his job anymore although he does feel safe/secure in it.
It is since I first started suggesting this that he has started to say he isn't sure what he wants/isn't sure if his feelings are enough for long term commitment etc. When this has happened I have taken it at face value, offered for him to take time away from me if he wishes (which he has never wanted to do) and basically been supportive. I've also tried to speak to him as I would a friend and kept my emotions in control. Occasionally (and especially recently) i have also been a little more firm with him and reminded him what i want and that if he isn't sure/doesnt think he wants that too that it would be kinder and better for us to go our separate ways, but he's never wanted to actually do this either. I''ve also thought once that he may just be too scared of hurting me by breaking up with me, and have told him gently that if he were to break up with me of course i would be hurt, that that would be inevitable, but if he had to, it'd be ok and i'd be ok. He has never tried to actually do this though.
Once we have talked things through, and i've helped to soothe his anxiety, it has been better for a while. He has been more attentive, more loving, more appreciative and has told me how he's feeling better about the relationship/our future etc. And then 5-6 months later the same thing has happened again. The last time it happened was a significant time for us, and he'd told me he was booking a surprise activity for me for my birthday but when i turned up on the day, he started telling me how he wasnt sure and how he'd cancelled the activity and wasn't sure he wanted to be with me anymore because of this feeling he has. I was really upset at the time, but tried to appreciate what he was dealing with (anxiety about booking something on hiw own/scared its going to go wrong if he books it) and so we put it behind us. He has recently gone back to saying these kinds of things and I just feel exhausted by it all. When he speaks to me about this, he says how much he loves me and wants to be with me, and how he doesn't want to lose me, and he is so affectionate and loving towards me, and that he just worries because despite fact he wants a future with me and loves me so much etc, he has this 'feeling' and doesn't know what to do with it, but it unsettles him. I don't know whether he has unrealistic expectations about what a relationship should be like (i'm his longest relationship and he, mine) at this stage or whether he realises what he feels for me inst enough in the long term.
I don't know what to do about this 'feeling'. I can't completely take this 'feeling' at face value because of everything else he says/does and because of the anxiety he feels, and how the underlying anxiety about moving away from what is familiar gets to him. I think i believe on some level that this 'feeling' is a product of his anxiety rather than to do with our relationhsip and the reason he is doing this is because he's terrified of the next stage, that he wants to be with me, but is so scared because of what that involves. I have told him it might help his to go speak to a professional about this and even bought him a DVD about anxiety to help him. I've also said I'd come along to an appointment if he'd like me to.
I guess I just don't know what this feeling is, he can't explain it to me properly and i dont know whether it's a huge warning that things will never be right or that it will go away once he seeks help/faces his fears. I feel like after 6 years of being in the relationship that I really want to have the chance to live together and find out, but i don't know how best to get to that place.
I should mention that the anxiety is the only issue we have in the relationship. My bf is a kind, sweet, caring, lovely guy who i trust 100%, who treats me very well, we are great friends, still very attracted to each other, etc etc.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Chameleon
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Living in limbo - advice please
Hi all, and thanks for reading.
First time I've posted on this board but it seems appropriate place for this. I've been with my current bf for 6 years long distance (we live around an hour and a half away from each other door to door and see each other most weekends). I realise this seems like a long time to be long distance (we are both in late 20s) but it felt ok at the time as for practical reasons we couldnt live together and i am independent lady and was happy enough having own life during week. He was also studying and it just made sense for various reasons. We'd still speak most nights on the phone and were regularly in contact.
In the last year or so I guess, it's hard to tell as it's all a bit of a blur now, he has started saying that he ins't sure what he wants and that although he really loves me so much and loves being with me something is missing and this worries him with regards to our future. I'm not really sure how to take this, and for various reasons, it appears to be a bit more complicated than it sounds. He suffers from pretty bad anxiety (which he hides from everyone, except me) and has never really left home (he lives with his dad and younger brother). He didn't go to university and so has never left to live anywhere else really either. It's hard to explain the anxiety but it comes down to him being scared when he's not in control of things/situations, when things don't go as planned. I remember first noticing it when I suggested staying over an extra night one weekend (leaving on Monday morning) and he really panicked and got angry with me. I was obviously pretty upset the first time this happened and when it happened again, I stayed the next time and when we got back to his house he got really apologetic and upset and explained how it was to do with his feeling out of control when things dont go to plan and said he hated himself for reacting that way and for hurting me.
He panics, and has mini panic attacks sometimes when having to do things himself (calling someone on the phone, booking a taxi, ordering at a restaurant) etc. He has improved greatly over the years, partly because i've gently coaxed him into doing things hes scared to do, and partly cos his work has given him confidence, but now it's gotten to a crunch point and i'm really struggling to cope with the situation.
The crunch point is that I want to live together and because we have discussed it for years and because of our situations it really would be best for both of us if he moved here. I realise i'm asking him to do something really terrifying for him, but i know from experience, that I cannot continue to be as patient as i have been and that if things were up to him, he would continue in whatever situation he feels safest/less anxious/scared. I also genuinely believe (and he has agreed many times) that the prospects are better here, and he would greatly benefit from being here rather than where he lives now where he is quite isolated/doesn't see/have many friends etc. He also isn't really happy in his job anymore although he does feel safe/secure in it.
It is since I first started suggesting this that he has started to say he isn't sure what he wants/isn't sure if his feelings are enough for long term commitment etc. When this has happened I have taken it at face value, offered for him to take time away from me if he wishes (which he has never wanted to do) and basically been supportive. I've also tried to speak to him as I would a friend and kept my emotions in control. Occasionally (and especially recently) i have also been a little more firm with him and reminded him what i want and that if he isn't sure/doesnt think he wants that too that it would be kinder and better for us to go our separate ways, but he's never wanted to actually do this either. I''ve also thought once that he may just be too scared of hurting me by breaking up with me, and have told him gently that if he were to break up with me of course i would be hurt, that that would be inevitable, but if he had to, it'd be ok and i'd be ok. He has never tried to actually do this though.
Once we have talked things through, and i've helped to soothe his anxiety, it has been better for a while. He has been more attentive, more loving, more appreciative and has told me how he's feeling better about the relationship/our future etc. And then 5-6 months later the same thing has happened again. The last time it happened was a significant time for us, and he'd told me he was booking a surprise activity for me for my birthday but when i turned up on the day, he started telling me how he wasnt sure and how he'd cancelled the activity and wasn't sure he wanted to be with me anymore because of this feeling he has. I was really upset at the time, but tried to appreciate what he was dealing with (anxiety about booking something on hiw own/scared its going to go wrong if he books it) and so we put it behind us. He has recently gone back to saying these kinds of things and I just feel exhausted by it all. When he speaks to me about this, he says how much he loves me and wants to be with me, and how he doesn't want to lose me, and he is so affectionate and loving towards me, and that he just worries because despite fact he wants a future with me and loves me so much etc, he has this 'feeling' and doesn't know what to do with it, but it unsettles him. I don't know whether he has unrealistic expectations about what a relationship should be like (i'm his longest relationship and he, mine) at this stage or whether he realises what he feels for me inst enough in the long term.
I don't know what to do about this 'feeling'. I can't completely take this 'feeling' at face value because of everything else he says/does and because of the anxiety he feels, and how the underlying anxiety about moving away from what is familiar gets to him. I think i believe on some level that this 'feeling' is a product of his anxiety rather than to do with our relationhsip and the reason he is doing this is because he's terrified of the next stage, that he wants to be with me, but is so scared because of what that involves. I have told him it might help his to go speak to a professional about this and even bought him a DVD about anxiety to help him. I've also said I'd come along to an appointment if he'd like me to.
I guess I just don't know what this feeling is, he can't explain it to me properly and i dont know whether it's a huge warning that things will never be right or that it will go away once he seeks help/faces his fears. I feel like after 6 years of being in the relationship that I really want to have the chance to live together and find out, but i don't know how best to get to that place.
I should mention that the anxiety is the only issue we have in the relationship. My bf is a kind, sweet, caring, lovely guy who i trust 100%, who treats me very well, we are great friends, still very attracted to each other, etc etc.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Chameleon
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Hi Chameleon,
I have to say that I doubt that he is having doubts about your relationship. I think what he's doing is when he's sitting quietly contemplating the options he is leaning towards the easiest option and deciding that it's less stressful to separate should he find himself pushed further than he is happy going.
He never seems to mention having doubts until he's pushed into moving in together.
As long as everything ticks along and he's content with that then he won't want anything to upset that. It comes down to how long you would be prepared to go along without moving in together and whether you could continue with things as they are now because I think he will resist you at every turn because of the added stress and fear involved, not because he feels less for you or has doubts about the future.
His doubts may feel very real to him, they may have cropped up in his mind as a way of saving him from living outside of his comfort zone.
I would think that the only way you would be able to get him to move would be if you arranged everything even down to going to collect him and bring him to where you'd be living together. You would have to do everything that would usually have been done by him. Even after all of that, where you have spared him everything he may turn it all down because the prospect of living in a new area and getting used to what is where, registering with a new doctor etc, new routes, buses, people etc might still prove too much for him.
He's living a kind of see-saw life where he'll venture so far along the see-saw but once it starts to move he scurries back down his own end where everything is safe. When he's gone further out and the fear starts to strike he may make an excuse to others for sliding back to his own end. I doubt the excuses or reasons he gives are real although they may seem real to him. I think he'd say just about anything if it meant he could return to his old familiar place.
The 'feeling' he has is his lifebelt. He will keep letting everyone know it's there so he can use it when the need arises.
If he feels threatened out will come this 'feeling', stronger this time because of what may have been suggested that has made him need the lifebelt.
He can't explain the 'feeling' in detail because it comes and goes based on whatever he is faced with. The greater the threat to his comfort the greater the 'feeling' will grow. Then it will become less of a feeling and more of a knowing so that he's saying all kinds of things he doesn't actually mean just to get himself out of the predicament. He may say he's always known things wouldn't work or that he doesn't feel the same as he once did.
It's not his feeling for you that will have changed, it's the realisation that the 'lifebelt' ploy isn't working so he's got to try something drastic. He doesn't want to lose you at all but he doesn't want to be dragged out of his comfort zone. I think he could sacrifice your relationship to remain where he is but it wouldn't be because he stopped loving you. It would be because of the level of fear of where he's being made to go.
Owly x
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Hello Chameleoncam,
In this case I'd give him a certain time say 6 months maximum if he thinks he is willing to compromise for the sake of a happy future together. If he is still indecisive, as much as painful it would be, I'd finish the relations if he is not willing to commit 100%. The time scale might make him panic even more, put him under pressure to decide quicker but at the same time it will help him to hurry up a bit with the decision and remind him you are NOT prepared to live in uncertainty forever.
Would you like a baby together if you lived together/got married? If you do, your time is ticking and the sooner you decide to start trying for a baby, the more chances you might have while you are still young, healthy and full of energy.
8 years ago when my husband was my long distant boyfriend, my husband felt ready to commit and marry me AFTER I told him I had a man who proposed me (it was true). As the saing says, men are hunters by nature and in my case having a potential rival on the scene helped to speed thing up between us ![]()
Good luck x
Sunny Girl
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Hi Owly,
Thank you for taking the time to read my message and sorry for taking a while to get back to you. Time has flown by..i think i need to take some time to myself because i'm out and busy all the time, no time to stop and think..
I have to say reading your message confirmed everything I already thought/believed to be true. You just put it much more eloquently than I was able to. The diffifuclt thing is that there doesn't really seem to be an answer.
Since I wrote this message things have been good again, we've been making an effort to see each other most weekends, and we are communicating well when not together. He can sometimes be quite bad on the phone but we have had many nice chats this week and weekends together have been (mostly) a real pleasure.
It's not strictly true that he never mentions the doubts any other time, but it is definitely only when i have pushed him in some way (whether it be moving on, or going on holiday to a place he doesn't know) etc.
In terms of moving in, we've discussed it quite a bit and at the moment he is being really quitr positive about the whole thing. It cannot happen yet as he has some commitments which I can't rush, but, the idea is once that's done, we can then start to look at places etc. I've found the important thing to remember with him is that he needs to feel prepared/ready a long time before something happens, so I've been talking about it a bit, laying it all out, how it'd be, how much we could pay, showing him places we could live etc etc.
It's interesting what you said about the 'feeling'. I never really got why he couldn't explain it to me, I just thought it was because he didnt understand it himself..but i gues underneath it i couldn't help but feel that maybe he genuinely didn't feel enough to want to be with me long term/that I wasn't/the feeling wasn't enough for him..It is definitely true that it grows when he is feeling threatened. It hasn't grown again, I have been ever so patient with him and like I said we are in a much better place, the difficult thing is that if we have a bad conversation/he's a bit tired/off with me I can assume (without telling him) that maybe he's going to suddenly say he's not sure again. I guess the difficult thing is that I worry he will do this again at somepoint, and it can make me panicky/worried/paranoid unecessarily, I don't know how to help him realise it's not us that is the problem and that it's much more complicated than that.
Any thoughts on how I can help? I am still a long way from giving up, I know what the situation is but there is so much right about us, and he does make me happy, and I, him that I can't just give up, and I really don't want to anyway.
Thank you so much again.
Chameleon
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Hi sunny girl,
Thank you so much for taking the time to read and reply, so sorry to take some time to get back to you. It doesnt feel like ive had a moment spare.
Thank you for your advice. I think in some way I am sort of giving it a time limit (at least to assess where we're at at that stage) but its difficult because there are other aspects a little out of either of our control. I think the important thing for me is that there is a future and that we are both looking towards making that happen.
I would like children, and I know that I don't have all the time in the world for that. He knows I want children and would also want children, though I suspect that would hugely trigger his anxiety/panic. I guess in my eyes I want to move in together this year, and if when the time of the other thing has passed, and he is still not showing active steps towards making it happen, we'd have to call it quits (at least temporarily\0. I'm not prepared to live in limbo forever, I am willing to give it everything I've got though before giving up.
I'm not sure if having another potential person would do anything, my bf is not the jealous type, i think he'd be hurt more than anything.
I guess I have to live in limbo a little longer....thanks again.
Chameleon
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Hi Cham,
I'd say just see him as constantly in need of protecting himself and give him less cause to feel threatened. The safer and more secure he feels the more willing he will be and the easier it will be to be around him.
Imagine him as a bull who is content in its field. You couldn't push it for love nor money but you could lead it and entice it if it felt where it was heading was safe or better than where it had been.
When it starts to feel insecure or threatened you'll notice the snorting, then the stamping and then it will explode in rage so keep it happy while leading it gently by the nose to a better place. ![]()
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You could tell him he doesn't have to move that he's fine to stay where he is but just take a look at these places and relax and imagine yourselves there doing X (X being a positive image or event). This takes all the pressure off him and encourages him to just picture himself somewhere. As long as he feels in control he should be more willing to do more or go a bit further. When he has done something positive or made some positive progress in the direction of moving (physically or mentally) praise him and change the subject totally so all pressure is then off him.
Owly x




