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cl-ambientbreeze
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Does Faceache make people Insular ?

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23-01-2012 11:31

Hello!

I don't venture over here often. I'm too neutral in most of my stances to debate ferociously. But I'm frustrated, and on my soap box today.:smileywink:

I have been looking at facebook, and seeing the way that people behave on there, and it is frustrating me to say the least. If I look through my long list of "friends" on there, I can identify a dozen who actively engage at a deep, and genuinely interested level. The rest seem to be pretty insular. They post on their own statuses, and fire their stresses and problems off to various groups, but don't actually seem to visit others!

On boards like iVillage, there is a great sense of community, or there always was. As a general rule, most active participants posted on boards with their worries and problems, but also posted in turn on the messages of others. I found this to be the case across the loss boards, the health boards, and the parenting and baby boards. Not so much on the bullying support board. I can't speak for others as my generalisation is purely anecdotal.

To me, despite being designed to "connect people", Faceache seems to remove people into their own, self absorbed little bubble, which touches the bubble of others at a superficial level, disconnecting us from that richer level of contact and connection.

I find it frustrating, and somewhat disappointing too.

What do you think ? Is Facebook good for relationships or not ? Have you had any particularly positive or negative experiences over  there ? And which do you find gives the deeper level of connection - a message board like this, or a networking site ?

Ambi

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Mummy to C-ZJ (04/09), I-M, (08/07) K-J (12/05), D-K (12/99), K-D (01/98) & ^i^Leife^i^ (15w in 12/04)

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cl-ambientbreeze
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Does Faceache make people Insular ?

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23-01-2012 11:31

Hello!

I don't venture over here often. I'm too neutral in most of my stances to debate ferociously. But I'm frustrated, and on my soap box today.:smileywink:

I have been looking at facebook, and seeing the way that people behave on there, and it is frustrating me to say the least. If I look through my long list of "friends" on there, I can identify a dozen who actively engage at a deep, and genuinely interested level. The rest seem to be pretty insular. They post on their own statuses, and fire their stresses and problems off to various groups, but don't actually seem to visit others!

On boards like iVillage, there is a great sense of community, or there always was. As a general rule, most active participants posted on boards with their worries and problems, but also posted in turn on the messages of others. I found this to be the case across the loss boards, the health boards, and the parenting and baby boards. Not so much on the bullying support board. I can't speak for others as my generalisation is purely anecdotal.

To me, despite being designed to "connect people", Faceache seems to remove people into their own, self absorbed little bubble, which touches the bubble of others at a superficial level, disconnecting us from that richer level of contact and connection.

I find it frustrating, and somewhat disappointing too.

What do you think ? Is Facebook good for relationships or not ? Have you had any particularly positive or negative experiences over  there ? And which do you find gives the deeper level of connection - a message board like this, or a networking site ?

Ambi

xxx

Mummy to C-ZJ (04/09), I-M, (08/07) K-J (12/05), D-K (12/99), K-D (01/98) & ^i^Leife^i^ (15w in 12/04)

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Ambi

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Mummy to C-ZJ (04/09), I-M, (08/07) K-J (12/05), D-K (12/99), K-D (01/98) & ^i^Leife^i^ (15w in 12/04)

owly_2001
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Hi Ambi,

I tried to reply but when I clicked send it said authentication missmatched or some such thing. Not good considering I was extoling the virtues of ivillage.

Anyway what I was pretty much saying was that although I've never used FB as I've never been enticed by anything it had to offer along with having a bad feeling about it (perhaps that's a personal thing rather than it being a bad place), I prefer iVillage. 

To me iVillage is like belonging to a family firm where everyone who comes through the door is warmly welcomed and after getting to know them we recognise them whenever they drop in again. Whereas FB is like a multi storey office block where at best people just say hi in passing because there are so many of them. 

We can get to know the people better here but on FB it's just not possible to maintain a long list of people as friends as such.

Also I think if people know there are too many people to be able to help then they could switch off their desire to get involved at all. In fact it probably wouldn't be healthy to spread themselves so thinly helping so many people. We all need to pace ourselves so that we don't burnout or as it has also been called 'Compassion Fatigue'.

Owly x

 

 

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nigelsmum
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Hi Ambi,

I find FB is rather souless. I use it to contact people  that I can't speak to very often otherwise but I find it so impersonal because there is so much chaff being fired off in all directions and a lot of it pretty pointless. And it seems to cause so much bad feeling.

I much prefer iViallage as I find it very supportive, it gives me a voice that others can understand and , although I am quite shy, IRL, I can be more outgoing and connect with people. I am very sad at the way FB has taken over from sites like iVillage because it can't provide the support iVillage provides. And the amount of information you can get on iVillage regarding issues you might have is brilliant. I love the sense of community.

I think my vote is for a site like this not a networking site like FB

Hugs

Jillxx

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spicyone
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You know what, I really hate Facebook I do.

I feel it serves no purpose and it is becoming a cliche when people say that they are on it to connect with their friends and family, what happened to pen and paper, texting, emailing?

I found on my page, when I was on it, no one had anything interesting to say.  I was expecting my page to be like BBC1's The Big Questions or any other debate programme. No, it is just people ranting, writing subliminal messages that would only mean something to them and another 'friend' and declaring their unlying love to one another on each others walls!! 

I am so glad I am not longer on there, I felt that it serves no purpose to my life.  I only had about 50 friends on there, but I hardly hear from these friends. I must have had about 300 people on my blocked list as well.  Imagine how people must feel when they have 1000s of 'friends' and not one of them wonders where they are, when they deactivate their page... by sending a text or sending an email.

I used to block people when they annoyed me, then it got awkward when I used to work with people who I blocked but kept other colleagues on my page, the ones I blocked I had to blag and say that my page was hacked!!  I then left that workplace and then opened a new page.  But then I got sick of that too!!!

People like to air their dirty laundry on there, I used to work with a guy who was a newly wed and his wife blocked him off her page and he retorted with "Stop acting like a child and dont broadcast our problems on here!"  They were only married for 2 months at that stage!

I dont know if you notice, but people tend to take their relationship status really seriously on there.  I have come across alot of posts on IV where a woman would say "He is  still listed as single on his facebook, we have been dating for months" or he has hidded his status on FB.  Whatever happened to just holding hands in public - showing people you were together?!!  Honestly, relationship status' on FB is like seeing wedding pictures in OK ( Sorry, dont know why my font has changed)

 

The only good thing that has come from that site was the fact I met my partner on it.  I deleted my page but before that, I printed off all the emails and comments we exchanged while we were dating, so we have a shrine of the early times.   He added me randomly, we met over 2 consequetive days and at the end of the 2nd date, we said we should make a go of it... that was 3 years ago and we have never been happier.

Ironically, FB does ruin relationships, I have seen many posts on here where Fb is an issue.

I am always on this site, I do feel that there is a great sense of community.

Interesting post by the way! 

 

SO x

 

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Teanna
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Hi Ambi

Give me ivillage any day!!! I think Facebook can make us lazy in our relationships with our friends and it's easy to let people slip from being real friends who you see and talk to into 'FB friends' who you just read updates from if you are not careful.

I wouldn't post on there looking for support if I was feeling in pain or a bit low because it makes you feel so much worse if you don't get any replies!! I know on ivillage that I will get some support or ideas and suggestions on coping so I feel like I can be more myself here.

But sometimes it proves its worth. My son is studying abroad for a year and his girlfriend is with hiim, they are expecting a baby in May and without Facebook we wouldn't be in touch as much as we are. I log on to FB chat every night and talk to him, we could never afford to do that by phone.

Also, Facebook has bizarrely proved its worth in the local area where I live. This used to be a small village but it is now just a connecting section between two districts, they all run into one another. To make things worse, being between two districts it just lost so many shops and was a bit of a 'nothing' area, People used to say they lived in either one district or the other because it was such a 'nothing' area.

Over the past year though, the area has come back to life via Facebook. It started with local traders getitng together and promoting the shops and snowballed on FB from there. The traders have created a real identity for the area, and we now have a residents' association and a traders' association. The patch of waste ground oppostie the station is now our 'village green' and last year we even had a Christmas tree with lights! We've got a real community which has grown and come together through facebook. Last month, posters for a missing cat went up on lamp posts all down my road and for the first itme in years I knew whose cat it was and when it was found, thanks to Facebook.

I think FB is one of those tools you have to know how to use correctly but it's very easy to let it take over and be addicted to inane updates (your own and other people's) but it can be a good thing too,

love

Teanna

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sparkling-sunshine
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My main pleasure/social interaction on fb is from private messaging and a couple of the secret groups. (not fb chat)

I think fb and ivillage are different so hard to compare. Fb is usually people you know where as iv is people who from all different walks of life who have yet to become friends. We've all made some great friends on iv so the paths do cross.

My iv friends who have crossed over and become real friends have done so after a progression from iv onto fb. IV gives you the opportunity to be anonymous where are most people are themselves on fb. (even if their status updates are how great they want us to believe their life is)

For me I get a deeper level of connection through privacy. So the private boards on iv have been great for this. We've been able to share a bit more than what we would otherwise on the boards. Without the boards though there would be no mums clubs secret groups on fb.

I'm quite sure I'm waffling and not even sure if I'm answering your question but for me iv and fb are different and both have good qualities. I want to meet new people, talk in confidence, get various opinions, points of view and info and to be myself without worrying if people are judging so for me iv ticks more of the boxes.

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spicyone
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I agree with what you are saying SS..

The fact that you are anonymous give you more freedom of speech on this site... whereas on FB, you have to be discreet otherwise everyone will know your business.

SO x
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angelic1
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I agree with what you are all saying. I have been on F/B for a long time and in the beginning I found it alright I did connect with friends present and past and it was good to get back in touch with them, but, as time went on I found everything you all have spoken about.
I have made 2 / 3 genuine friends, who I shall keep in touch with and its funny really but only today I decided to finish with F/B
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mrs_mcfly
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I think it can do. I have a lot of friends on there that have crossed over from here. I have my mummies boards, my Sept 08 is fab as is the April 11 there are some wonderful people I'd hate to loose contact with totally. If it weren't for the secret groups and support pages I would totally deactivate. It is handy to keep up to date with people, it annoys me though there Re people you have as "friends" who never interact with you that would be upset at un friending.

It's sad there are so many abandoned / desolate boards here, that previously would fill that void. For me personally it has been a useful tool to meet new people after relocating, but I know that on a day I'm down I can easily spend lots of time trawlling fb looking for some social interaction its a big distraction from what's happening sometimes.

Like all technology it has its uses

Helle Mummy to 3 gorgeous boys Nov 05 Aug 08 & April 11
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Helle Mummy to 3 gorgeous boys Nov 05 Aug 08 & April 11
bumfy
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Hi

Never been on it, never intend to and never will. I see FB as a young person's thing to be honest. My sons go on it a lot but having seen some of the bad experiences  DS2 has had with cyber bullying, then I see FB as not necessarily such a good thing. I think people rely on it too much as the expsense of having a conversatioon or seeing real friends, as opposed to make-believe ones.

It has never appealed to me. I see too many potential pitfalls with it.  I think part of it is I am a very private peson and I don't want all my details and innermost thoughts plastered all over the net. Nor do I imagine anyone would want to read them lol.

 

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