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19-01-2013 08:26

Morning All , Am a newbie so Hello All and please forgive my first verylong post !

My Husband & I are blessed with  2 adorable Sons but My 13 year old has always struggled socially and am not 100% certain of why .
He went to a small village primary school where he was one of just 6 boys in his year , we eventually removed him in year 6 after a few bullying incidents . He thrived at the new Primary School for year 6 and was very popular , confident & happy , we always say that school "fixed him " !
He did so well there that we didn't hesitate to send him to the Local Secondary School where most of the children from there were going . Boy , did we regret that decision , it seemed that all of children turned over night and became nasty towards my Son with silly school boy stuff , moving his chair away , hiding his lunch etc but all stuff that doesn't make you feel very good about yourself. My Son , by his own admission , was very dramatic in his reactions at those times (not physical just moody/grumpy) The tutor sent him on a How to make friends course with a few others at school , which if I am honest didn't do much , as it made my Son feel that he may actually have a problem ! We plodded on through year 7 ,as he was doing well educationally , drifting form group to group , kept telling My Son it will get better , just be happy & friendly & he believed me . Spent the holidays seeing everyone else going out and him not being invited , again was able to keep his spirits up.
Started Year 8 in September & all was going well , My Son kept telling me Year 8 was going to be his Year & that he was determined! He has drifted with a few boys and then drifted away again , as he felt that they were not the sort of people he wants to befriend (Trouble makers has words not mine !) . Then about October time he started to sit with a boy in his tutor at Lunchtime/Breaktime , they have very similar interests and he in turn got friendly with 5 other boys who he then sat with every kunchtime , one of the boys calls the 6 of them a gang and no-one else can join ! Son felt that was a bit OTT as he wants to befriend everyone but he kept those thoughts to himself as he was delighted he had regular people he could sit with that he liked !
Anyway the boy he originally befriended wasn't about yesterday and all bar 1 of the other "gang members" turned on my Son , telling him to go away and that they never liked him anyway , to which My Son did and sat with some people from Year 11 ! One boy did say to leave My Son alone as he was alright but they said no he has to go etc etc.
There have been a few other incidents too , where a couple of the boys from the "In Crowd " has picked on my Son and one has even thumped him after school .
All the work we have done building our Son up seems to have now been shattered , My Son is so desperately down and wants me to look at changing his school (Always said before he never wants to leave his current school as it will get better !) as people have been horrible for weeks but he has found the comfort he needs in the gang ! Think the school I poss have in the back of mind , if we do change him , has children of a similar personality to My Son but tends to be very oversubscribed anyway but who knows.
Educationally , he is doing well and is not afraid of what children think if he studies hard as he wants the good jobs and jokes that the ones who mess about , will be emptying his bins when he is rich & Famous !
He goes to Air Cadets and absolutely loves it and seems very popular there , the children are all older than him but go to the same school and he sits with them sometimes but they leave soon.
This incident probably seems so very minor to anyone reading this post but hope you understand the thread we have been hanging onto feels snapped now.(Don't believe I am displaying to My Son how I feel)
Sorry for the waffle & my possible over reaction . Been awake most of the night with worry and crying as I type .
Thanks Very Much for listening x x x

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DellaT1
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13 Year Old Son has no friends :-(

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19-01-2013 08:26

Morning All , Am a newbie so Hello All and please forgive my first verylong post !

My Husband & I are blessed with  2 adorable Sons but My 13 year old has always struggled socially and am not 100% certain of why .
He went to a small village primary school where he was one of just 6 boys in his year , we eventually removed him in year 6 after a few bullying incidents . He thrived at the new Primary School for year 6 and was very popular , confident & happy , we always say that school "fixed him " !
He did so well there that we didn't hesitate to send him to the Local Secondary School where most of the children from there were going . Boy , did we regret that decision , it seemed that all of children turned over night and became nasty towards my Son with silly school boy stuff , moving his chair away , hiding his lunch etc but all stuff that doesn't make you feel very good about yourself. My Son , by his own admission , was very dramatic in his reactions at those times (not physical just moody/grumpy) The tutor sent him on a How to make friends course with a few others at school , which if I am honest didn't do much , as it made my Son feel that he may actually have a problem ! We plodded on through year 7 ,as he was doing well educationally , drifting form group to group , kept telling My Son it will get better , just be happy & friendly & he believed me . Spent the holidays seeing everyone else going out and him not being invited , again was able to keep his spirits up.
Started Year 8 in September & all was going well , My Son kept telling me Year 8 was going to be his Year & that he was determined! He has drifted with a few boys and then drifted away again , as he felt that they were not the sort of people he wants to befriend (Trouble makers has words not mine !) . Then about October time he started to sit with a boy in his tutor at Lunchtime/Breaktime , they have very similar interests and he in turn got friendly with 5 other boys who he then sat with every kunchtime , one of the boys calls the 6 of them a gang and no-one else can join ! Son felt that was a bit OTT as he wants to befriend everyone but he kept those thoughts to himself as he was delighted he had regular people he could sit with that he liked !
Anyway the boy he originally befriended wasn't about yesterday and all bar 1 of the other "gang members" turned on my Son , telling him to go away and that they never liked him anyway , to which My Son did and sat with some people from Year 11 ! One boy did say to leave My Son alone as he was alright but they said no he has to go etc etc.
There have been a few other incidents too , where a couple of the boys from the "In Crowd " has picked on my Son and one has even thumped him after school .
All the work we have done building our Son up seems to have now been shattered , My Son is so desperately down and wants me to look at changing his school (Always said before he never wants to leave his current school as it will get better !) as people have been horrible for weeks but he has found the comfort he needs in the gang ! Think the school I poss have in the back of mind , if we do change him , has children of a similar personality to My Son but tends to be very oversubscribed anyway but who knows.
Educationally , he is doing well and is not afraid of what children think if he studies hard as he wants the good jobs and jokes that the ones who mess about , will be emptying his bins when he is rich & Famous !
He goes to Air Cadets and absolutely loves it and seems very popular there , the children are all older than him but go to the same school and he sits with them sometimes but they leave soon.
This incident probably seems so very minor to anyone reading this post but hope you understand the thread we have been hanging onto feels snapped now.(Don't believe I am displaying to My Son how I feel)
Sorry for the waffle & my possible over reaction . Been awake most of the night with worry and crying as I type .
Thanks Very Much for listening x x x

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nigelsmum
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Hi,

how awful for your son, no wonder he feels demoralised. Don't have any advice for you at present  as I am in one of my lower moods ( I have depression) but just wanted to welcome you to ivillage. I am sure you'll get loads of input from others soon

Hugs

Jillxx

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oh2bhappy
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Hi 

I think it is very difficult once they get to High School, as there isn't much you can do to for them.

I think its good that he is going to Air Cadets, and am glad he's enjoying it.

My daughter is almost 19, and she had very few friend going through primary and High School.  When she was in the reception class and Year 1, she was mainly friendly with boys - going to their houses for tea and them coming to our place.

And then they got to the age where they don't want anything to do with the opposite sex and it left her isolated.

She started going to scouts when she was 10 and loved it.  Mixing with children from the same and other schools.

She always did well academically, yet was lonely.

She did develop a few close friends in sixth form, and a couple of those are now best friends.  One has left for University, well another is doing a course at the same College as my daughter before leaving for University in September... Not sure what my daughter will do then...

She is now doing applied science in the local college and has struggled to make new friends.  She is getting there.

All I know is, it didn't matter what I did, I couldn't change the situation at school for her...  

She is now a leader with Cubs, and still loves the sense of belonging she gets there.  She's meeting other adults on training courses, and is confident talking to them.

I'm glad your son is doing well with his school work.  And it is so good that he can come and talk to you about things.  

I'm sorry i have no answers here. 

Does the Year tutor at the school have any suggestions?

(sorry to rabbit on so much about my daughter...)

JANE

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sparkling-sunshine
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It sounds like your son has his head screwed on well. To be studying hard and not worried what the others think is great.
Sorry things are not so good for him socially. It's so hard as a parent to see when our kids are not as happy as they could be in a situation.
Are there any nice kids from the cadets he could meet up with socially? I know it doesn't solve the school friend situation but knowing he has a good out of school life will hopefully make it more bearable.
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owly_2001
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Hi Dellat, 

It seems to me as though certain others are feeling inadequate when your son is around as he seems to get on with older children which seems to suggest he has a more mature character. There's not a lot that can be done to increase the ringleaders self esteem as they'll be prone to take things personally and won't want their weaknesses pointed out. Because they are aware they don't measure up to your sons level the natural reaction of the insecure bully is to try to bring down the one they are made to feel inferior by. 

Its not your sons doing. It could even be said to be a backhanded compliment because they see your son as so outstanding that they can't compete so they undermine and alienate instead. 

Also some people, and your son could be one, who are free spirits. They are friendly and likeable but don't get tied down to any one person or group. They have temporary friendships and associations but find that eventually he or they will drift apart. It's not a fault or a weakness it's just the way some are and it suits those people well. 

Owly x 

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DellaT1
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Hi Jill , Thank you for your reply . I too have battled with depression so hope u get the support and love you needed to help with this dreadful illness x <<Hugs >>>
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DellaT1
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Hi Thanks for your reply . I agree it is so hard when they are at High School as the communication & support received whilst at Primary is swiftly gone and we are left out on a limb.
Pleased that your Daughter has found an outlet with her Scouts and has an outlet somewhere .
Think I will encourage My Son to get numbers for his friends at Air Cadets . Good plan.
At the moment , he tells me everything (a bit too much sometimes lol !) am very proud of him & our relationship. Most of the time I am able to boost his morale and keep him going but he is very low with all this but as you say there is not much I can do to change it for him , just try to be a positive as I can for him .
Thanks Again , it makes things cleare in my fog of a mind just typing it all down :-)
Hope your Daughter gets on ok when her friends leave
X x x x
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DellaT1
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Hi , Thanks for your reply. He is a good boy (most of the time) and am pleased that he does do well educationally . It is hard to see him so low when normally he just bounces through life with a smile.
I am going to encourage him to contact some of the cadets at the weekends etc , good plan. I know it all sounds so minor but it all adds up to an unhappy boy x
Thanks so much feels so much better even tying it down x x x x
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DellaT1
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Hi Thanks so much for your reply. Wow had never thought of it like that , he has always been more mature , even when he started in year 7 his Tutor was always tyring to persuade him to mix with his year rather than older years ! x Am lucky that most of the time am able to boost him back up again when he has these knock backs which is why this time , although probably seems minor , it is so hard to witness and feel powerless . You are also so right about free spririt he doesnt like the one best friend which is fab but then he is so laid back usually that he never arranges to meet people or when he has done (year 7) they havent turned up :-( x Am going to keep your message to remind myself of your words so when things are low like this I can refer back to them .
Thank you so so much x x x x x
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Patsy1964
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Hi Dell,

I am sorry to hear your son has encountered this issue. The jump from primary school, even a large one (the one I went to was JMI had seven classes and a total of 120 children full time, with another 60 in "infant" classes) and both my brother and I had a bit of a culture shock when we landed in a school with 600 pupils plus 50 Boarders.  So the jump for your son from a small village school of may be 50 children in total, must be collossal !


Boys and girls joining a new social network, having had long friendships at primary school often do find it difficult to fit in immediately, particularly if none of those friends go to the same school as he/she gets transferred to.  The fact that he was bullied and withdrawn from the last also causes issues as he may be worried about a repeat performance. It may be best to get him to tell you immediately if there are any problems, and more to the point what they are as soon as possible.  Then report the matter to the Headmaster/Mistress, and ask them to monitor the situation. 

Regrettably children in senior school do quickly develop a social heiracrchy  and can start to move around in groups and moving from one social group to another, and  can cause issues. These days peer pressure is collosal even at primary school level, let alone secondary school.  You need to tell him that he should not put up with the situation and that if he is having problems relating to bullying, inforn his Year Head or if things get really nasty to the Head Master.    That does not mean that he has to walk away, but if he needs to defend himself then he should have no fear to strike back at the agressor; but if he does and is still able again report the matter to the Year Head or Headmaster. 

You can teach him non physical manouvres such as shouting " BACK, BACK, BACK" and moving towards the agressors, that will :

a) surprise them

b) they will actually move back as a result of the surprise he can the effect his escape.  

If the same children are causing the problem then the matter needs to be escalated. Bullying is recognised more as a problem than it was 30 , even 50 years ago; when it was just brushed off as "part of growing up". 

If it is a question of a loss of self-confidence, and he does indeed feel threatened, have you thought of enrolling him in either karate or judo classes? 

Remember that the lower ends of both disciplines (and they are disciplines) are self defence and self-confidence.   It could turn in to a full sport; or just a confidence builder for the time being.  By three months he will know which way he wants to take it, and also the people bullying him will be surprised if he does retaliate and probably back off, particularly if he trips one on the floor.

I would suggest that you keep notes of whether it is certain days that he is having problems with, and check his time table. Do the subjects that he is either not very good at, or the members of that class the same ones who are bullying him?If iy is bullying in the Gym or after football/rugby in the showers, there could be other issues, which I hope is not the case (I don't mean to worry you, but boys and girls are more sexually aware than us adults like to think !), but things like his pubic region is not as well developed as the other boys' ; in the case of of girls it can be breast development, or whether they are the first or last to start their periods.

If it is he needs to tell his Year Head or Form Teacher .These days they take these things more seriously than 30+ years ago. If he gets nowhere, you can write to the school informally asking them to keep an eye on things as you think they may be getting out of hand.

He needs to be aware that he will have to (physcially)  fight  his way out sometimes, it is part of youth growing up and a system of providing boys with a "pecking order".  Girls do similar things but more in a psycological way as not talking to eachother or excluding a girl out the usual social group.  At least boys, its a "punch on the nose and that's  it", but if it gets out of hand then again you need to take action- albeit from a distance, and again the Year Head or Headmaster, may discipline the other bullys.  If you intervene too much, you may make him seem to be "mummy's boy" by the other bratts but you need to be kept informed.

The more subtle and tactful you are, the less of a problem it will be for him to refer the matter himself to the Headmaster, without your intervention, in turn giving him confidence to deal with "senior" people, which regrettably he is going to have to do when he jumps from school to business, since the etiquitte in business is getting that way too.

Tell him that you will back him, and for him to walk away if it is feasible, but always report serious incidents.  Taking from one school to another is something you want to beware of since he will never learn to put up a resistance or where to take the matter if it is beyond his means.

It is rather like in grown up life, knowing when to run and get a police officer, or stand up flatten the other person, then run and report it to the Police. Bear in mind that it might not be just bullying in the school playground but "ganging up" by members of other schools, with the ones already causing problems.  Boys will usually fight "one-to-one" and rarely get in to the "head-kicking" mode that TV often portrays: they may watch, but rarely only one person carries out the fight.

Sorry that I have gone in to my usual essay type reply, but you do have a potentially awkward situation here.  Do not make light of it to him, as he will become even more withdrawn, and that is the last thing either of you need.  Equally watch out for signs of serious withdrawl, particularly if it carries on over to the week-ends, or he dreads going to school on the Monday.

The bottom line is you need to discuss it with him quitely, but directly so that you can get the full picture and help him regain confidence that you can be turned to, and if you feel it is getting out of hand he has your 100% support.


I wish you every luck, and if you need to come back for some more help, you know we are all here: similar to the message you need to be sendting out to your own child.


Patsy

xx

 

As a foot note, you may want to borrow a copy of " About a boy" which is a comedy film, relating to a boy in exactly the same situation as yours, but with the twist that an older man happens to see him being bullied and fends off the other children on one occassion.  He then gets more deeply involved with the mother who turns out t be a depressive, and he manages to dig them both out of the situation, as well as by accident getting emotionally involved himself  with the principal Bully's mum.

There is a link:  www.about-a-boy.com which may give you a preview.

 

Patsy.

 

 

 

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